The core of experience last chapter

 

The Indeterminist True

©By Abdel Hernandez San Juan

   Written in English and translated to English 

by Abdel Hernandez San Juan

An Individual Perspective

“Cual”

Jacques Derrida

 

At the end: indeterminism and determinism; the main epistemological question

  We want to know a reality and we have two options, or we consider the subjects who are a part of it as secondary in respect to the structural objective conditions to which their life are subjected analyzing this objective structures with basis on datas, information and collection of materials miss regarding what they might say and express on themselves and their realities or in reverse we consider as relevant to the objectification and knowledge of that reality what this subjects say on themselves and express on their realities, the ways they endowed of sense as meaningfulness the their world, as for us to know that reality. The first position is determinist, the second indeterminist.

   Between these two contrary extremes we have however several paradoxes, within the first option, the datas supposed to be on the objective reality use to reflect more the reality of those subjects who provide the datas and the kind of relation they maintain with such a supposed reality which they unknown than with reality itself. Such people who provide the datas are inclined to explicit unconciently a relation with such a reality usually entail with the colonial administration of it, its governmentality, in other cases, or simply to explicit several modes of exogenous and extrinsique relation to such a reality as might be for example any mode to consider reality by how it is statistically measured and not according to the experience needed inside that reality to made sense and meanings of it by those how evolved within that reality need it to live inside it

  If the datas are provided, for example, by the parish priest of a reality, someone who more or less is a part of it, the material he or she provide suppose a kind of relation with such a reality he or she is a part of it as parish priest distinct, on the one side, to the remains of the other peoples who are a part of it stablishing a mode of relation between the parish priest and reality different to the kind of relation other parish priest experience in between them and reality

   It supposes besides a kind of relation between that reality and another reality external and exogenous to the former one which is not a part of the former that to which the parish priest provides the datas so that in the first extreme neither assisted by administrative statistics, on population, economics and socials, we really seize with that reality more than with modes of extrinsique relations with it, never with reality it self

    The second extreme, the indeterminist one, is the contrary by the fact of relativizing that any reality might be understand, know and objectify without seizing the senses and meanings, in a few words, a world of reality is impossible to be known without seizing from inside how a world is endowed by those who live and meaning it. In this mode the only form to know a reality is by a full immersion in it by a long time in a form as such that your own life must be affected by it without possibilities to make differences between your own reality and that reality so to the point that the main questions affecting people under that reality become your own questions of priorities to your own life, evolved by that reality as your own to do so you must seize the ways to sense needed to move yourselves successfully within a reality that is your own in respect to the sense of your things and ends, so inmersioned in the sense and meaning people seize under it

     This sense and meaning, as we know, might be as infinity as life is and it is naïf to suppose or to figure out that you will be submerged in a reality without evolving the transformations of your cultural parameters, habits, customs and patters of previous parameters, nothing as your previous parameters will survive under it, from the moment of getting to yourself the needed sense and meanings to move inside it as to seize the sense of things, your parameter are already modified, but even let suppose that there will be not an starting moment to ask yourself about how to immerse your life in a reality, let suppose that from the beginning everything is about a reality what is already and was ever or by long time your own one, in such a case, if you are committed to take a distance to your own reality as to know it better the same problem will appear, the idea of taking a distance will be itself endogenous to the natural attitude needed to simply experience a reality and as such asking questions on that reality will be seldom rare to the usual attention of common sense on it, in a few worlds, even considering your already own reality from ever or from a longer time, a distinction between simply living it and the task to know it will make a difference that will place you in front of the indeterminism versus determinism dilemma

   In front of this fact the first extreme opposite to the second several paradoxes, to sustain and affirm the individuals assign sense and endowed of sense their worlds meaning it is not a guaranty and is nothing as supposing that such sames individuals are in conditions to express that senses and meanings in the modes of languages about a reality, its senses and meanings

   To guide oneself in a world through common sense and experience endowing of sense things from its pragmatics is not the same than making reference to it or a to a reality. The individual might have a feeling of things and the world surround him or her but may not find a language to express or communicate it in most of the cases more well, on the contrary, must repit stereotypes and offer instead to us a pur expression doing nothing else than repiting clicles of what everyone already knows

   But the tendency to give clichés and stereotypes of what everyone already knows is not critically significant because those stereotypes are what everyone knows in a last instance tipification of the social world is required to the knowledge of it and typifying’s suppose certain level of clichés and stereotypes, this criticism become significant by other reasons which the second extreme would argue, because if you want to seize the sense and meanings from the inside of the form to endowed a reality as it is required to be understand to move yourself successfully under it as your own reality before even having a question as something to be research, such clicles and stereotypes are unusefulls thus since in a first and last instance a world of reality which make sense to people evolved within societary decurses in quotidian life is a world plenty of fresh and rich senses and to get it from its freshness and richness we must discard any pur form to represent it to instead comply the forms hermeneutic horizonts and intramundane explicitations around which worlds of life and life styles, modes of doing the things and of experience it take shape and makes sense, so that stereotypes and chicle’s uncomunicates it 

     Whence stereotypes and clicles might be nothing else that a mode about which the first extreme, defined in itself by modes of relation to that reality supposed to it governmentality or administration unknowns, avoid and thus here the second extreme use to argue that if an individual is repiting clichés and stereotypes is it because the modes that you have choice to be in relation with him or her is insufficient and exogenous, it is a mode that continuous depending on previously established modes of relations in which forms of authority made it extrinsique and rare to the way people give sense to their universes from the inside of it, as much as your form of relation appear from the beginning to the subject mediated by the image he or she have on you as an someone exogenous that unknown that reality since seen it from authority, the individual will face himself with a discourse addressed to that authority which will in itself exclude from it any possibility to let know the truly sense and meanings, so that in a last instance it is precisely what you mean to that reality since you are approaching it from authority what will provoque excluding any possibility of giving to you entrance to what indeed make senses and meanings inside it, repeating stereotypes and clichés appear then as a mask of conformity and a closed reaction to let authority entrance in what is truly happening, this is then about not about people meanings but about what you and your presence as exogenous mean to people

   Also stereotypes and clichés are frequently ways through which people repit what was distributed under authority forms to make references to that reality while excluding from it their own societary acervos on the ways to endowed it of sense and meaning, so that they must know that in repeating to what the authority have distributed about reality unknown reality and maintaining that image is a way to maintain separated what the authority think from what reality really means to people lacanially understand so to speak

      Let see examples.  Tin-plate remains soft drink

  We know well that to know how a man who pick up and collect in the city soft drink remains of tin plate and to seize how him give sense to his world, meaning his universe and wee the world from his perspective the only we is do it ourselves too

  But as much as it is not probably to us thus that we can’t imagine doing it from our situation as much as in reverse we must figure out all a man as such must do to understand how we make sense of what we do and why is it not probably for us to do what to him is a world

     We can’t however avoid the question as much as we want to know how he mean his world that asking him, how to do, what to say, should we bring with us an anticipated question or should we buy soft drink remains to him

    If we choice to buy soft drinks remains to him we choice a type of relation which evolve in itself meanings and senses to him so that in defining the way of relation are supposed modes of endowing senses to his world and things, since you have choice to buy his soft drinks remains you are becoming a client to him a purchaser but given that the market of soft drink remains is not as usual in terms of merchants you must pay attention to seize the specific sense evolved in being to a man a such a purchaser and a client, soft drinks remains are without doubt far to be first hands merchants, nothing in it is new, but reused and collected and as such that market take shape from a quest vendors of it usually do in a social level about who in certain circumstances might be interested and inclined to buy it, so that we are inserted in a very unusual market 

   We should value that a collector of soft drinks remains of tin plates must not in general have a well stablished market of clients since a percent  of his tin-plates are obtained from a varieties of secondary benefits such as for example, the enterprises of communal which from their standards trucks of trash toward the general city are not occupied and or focused in the details of soft drinks remains dispersed or disseminated sometimes in unusual places not ever with the remains of the city trash and as so an addition effort independent to that must be needed by the struggle of this kind of mans focused in a quest under the city narrow halls and corners were additional soft drink remains must be find and collected

   People can let it in unexpected places from day to night so that this man obtain his benefits sailing his services as an additional work to the Enterprise which report the city cleaning or another percent to nonprofits and or kinds of organizations focused in ecology and the issue of recycling industry remains as to reuse it to social values and or recycle it as to avoid secondary effects to the ecosystem

   Such kind of matter at the same time must be distributed to the benefit of artisans or another kind of activities needed of that remains to aesthetic and or environments ends, so that in any case in choosing to buy it to him as the way to entrance in relation as to understand how he means and sense his world is not like acceding to a firsthand merchant neither an usual way to engage him

   Beside that we can imagine an artist who approach the collector by another reasons such as explaining him that he is doing an art sculpture with soft drinks remains as matter and that he need it in a whole sale proportions as much as possible and under that example you must figure yourself differences to it, you must, for example, differentiate that while the artist will also buy it to him a quality will peculiarize his mode, first he will not buy is without explaining to what, second as soon as explain to what is will appear to the vendor collector as something already provided precisely by ways to give sense to soft drinks remains and probably the example under which it will probably acquire more senses than in any other form, you must then recognize that in reverse in your case it is not clear the sense that you as purchaser are endowing to it and that as such as distance to the sense he and collector and vendor give to it and you as his purchaser will be bigger, beside, paradoxically in your case the issue of sense as regarded in reverse since you are the one who is interested in how the vendor collector endowed of sense his world and meaning it or seen the world from his perspective

  Between the artist and the vendor a matter and a sense endowed to that matter by the purchaser is mediating the relation and its engagement, two modes of endowing of sense soft drink remains are in relation around a same matter and mediate the relation, in your case, nothing as to know your own endowing of sense to that matter to which he dedicates his time and life, is unfolded and explicated, why and to what are you buying it?

   So without doubt you are here in front of realizing that beyond your wishes and motivations something involved in the mode to be in relation to him and to engage him will inscribe you to him, meaning that will give you a place among his inscriptions and will inscribe you under it

  You may probably argue that in terms of ethics to try to seize with the mode he endowed of sense and meanings his world and reality buying his soft drinks remains is a more ethical mode to pretend something in exchange when minimum understanding his economic situation it will not be equitative to occupy in understanding how he mean his world knowing that he is occupy in surviving in that world. We’ll let supposes thus that your choice buying as the mode of relation to obtain in exchange knowing his ways to mean his reality and see the world, whence if you stablish this relation you must be later challenged to let him know, to explain him or to make intelligible to him that differently to another’s purchasers your pretention is about something more than simply buying it

   Inside this pragmatique of possible relation you must consider that usually direct purchasers mean something to him in exchange and that what you as asking in exchange is after all not necessarily miss regarded since additionally to buying your interest goes beyond that with something more, in this sense, equity is followed by a barter principle of exchanging something by something

  This fact which in respect to his convenience may devaluate your position in the barters since in a last instance if all is about surviving in his world nothing as to try to know how he mean his world will ever be more convenient to him that to continue buying his soft drink remains, between one and another thing you have to arrange to define how to goes beyond just buying it to instead pretending something more, and this questions evolved and is itself an ethnographic question, indeed, the ethnography question is evolved and implicit since we started all our deliberation on the relation itself 

   How to do?, stopping to buy soft drink remains or to do both things at the same time?, to analyze and dialogue with him your own situation?, something as saying, more than buying your softs drinks I want now to know how is that of living pic upping it and to understand it, or saying nothing, to continue buying it and to arranges yourself while trying to understand his world

  Or You might bring an interview and say to him today I want to buy you ten soft drinks and to make you an interview because I am preparing a film on soft drink remains collectors or I am writing something on the city and interested in your point of view, or I am realizing a work on remains and ecology and I want to work it from the perspective of those who pick up soft drink remains in the city, on pollution, if you made this last option, although avoiding to focus on him, you are calling inside him his inscriptions on what it previously mean to him

   The artist, for example, probably will be interested in the matter but not necessarily on him and his world, a case as such is not less attractive 

    But returning to our previous questions, how to do, to be attentive to collector’s hours of work as to stablish a dialogues with some of them, or to go to the archives of films as to unveil who before you were interested in the same theme, how the relation with this kind of collectors was and what’s ups about the results?

  Let supposes that you are visualizing two distinct films, the first one tematize soft drink remain collectors but subordinated to a more general issue about recycling’s of remains in the city and ecology, on industry pollution and the relation between merchants and remains, from panoramic planes of the city it turns to meddle planes and sometime close up and occasionally focusses in this kind of collectors urban mans, a voice in off is sustaining a general discourse on the city and by moment mention the cases of this mans to the point of nearing a group of them as to start asking question

Why are you collecting this tin plates, must be the question?

 Because it is my job and by economic subsistence, must be the answers

 Or let imagine the opposite, now you have a film in which a group of artists appears with a camera in the habit of one of this man’s so inside the house of one, you can see through the film how the house is full of this collected soft drinks remains even used not only as something keep but as to environment and build divisions and areas of the house as well as artisans decorations furniture’s mades with this remains may be seen at several points of the house such as on living room tables as to aesthetic it better, beyond only using the material to be sale which is something also obvious by certain areas of sacs, this collector is inserted into a whole universe around the drink soft remains

   In the house in course you may see several film cameras, one of the cameras shows the artists with a camera making scenes of the walls, artesanies and some sacs beside as suppose another camera is in the same position of the soft drinks remains collector making scenes of how the artists are at the same time making scenes inside the house.

  How is you’re feeling about the scenes they are taking inside the house? one artist asks to the collector the one place near him

  I think they probably like my soft drinks remains, it like it too, or maybe they like this artistic forms created with the tin-plates, answer the collector

   Do you like what they are doing.?

   Well, I have not seen it yet directly

   Do you want to see what they are filming? 

   Yes, of course. 

    Do you want we to let you copies of the scenes filmed with the camera? 

    yes, of course, 

     we will let you a copy for sure, to what do you want to have it? 

     To have it. 

     Do you want to make yourself some scenes of them filming your tin-plates?     

     yes, why not, 

     why? 

      because all this is my and thus I must then have it later, 

do you think these scenes we take here have to much light?

 it is because the door is open, I will better close it and you must do it again, why are not taking images of this here, 

  well we will soon, there was to much light too, do you want we to take image of this artesanies? 

   well yes, 

 who did this? 

  I did it this is the room of my son, 

   let take image of that, 

    yes of course, 

   also this wall, this is my, 

   do you want to move the artesanies to a best place to film it?,

    yes, 

    well where do you want we to take it?, 

    on this side will be best, 

   entrance of scenes of the collector putting the artesanies where he prefers it to be taken. 

   Again Do you like the idea to take images by yourself? 

   well, I don’t know to operate that camera, 

    is simple, just push your fingers looking what you want to take from here

    Entrance on frames of scene of another day, the collector distributed an environment made with tin-plates, soft drink remains in the outside of his house near to a back yard or a garden, he did like a set or scenography to take images with the camera, now his own, it was like a background with fabrics included, he asked the artist to stand up one by one on that background so a to make one by one a film while he also called people from his family and the neighbor as to set them near and around each artist, he asked the community people to tell their name and a short story on themselves as well as to each artists 

   As distinguished in two distinct modes about possible ways to entrance in relation and engage with soft drink remains in the city in the first case our example choice to buy the collector soft drinks as the way to start a communication, under such a situation our research example discovered him selves trapped in between the collector inscriptions about what purchasers of his tin—plates had mean to him before and his own way to be inscribed by the sense and meanings evolved within his choice form already discussed in this paper, in the meddle way we discussed an hypothetical example, the one of the artist who afford the collector to buy soft drinks to an sculpture, we already analyzed the differences and specificities on this modality in terms of engagements, a sense attributed to the soft drinks by the purchaser qualify him in respect to the collector in the a different forms since he also have sense to endow to the same material instead of being interested in the senses and meanings all that mean to the collector, usually artists as such are not, differently to our first example, interested in the subject behind the material they need, only interdisciplinary artists motivated by issues and questions of sociology and anthropology are interested in going beyond mere materials toward subjects and their ways to seen, perceive and mean things and worlds, our last example has showed to us a modality of this kind, when even as a something seldom and unusual we meet artists committed with a modality I have defined since the late eighties as sociological art or at least, of interdisciplinary research of art developed under a model of sociology investigations, while the point to be learned about the case in discussion stablish a major difference to the usual modality of making films on this kind of urban subjects such as the first film evoque on pollution, recycling, industry and ecology, the point of interest about this last example is seized by the fact that from a certain moment everything is in reverse, instead of the research who have something to say on its subject, it is the subject of his attention the one who have a perspective to bring to the film on the subjects of research. We know already some cases as this both in sociology and in anthropology, but the reason to call to the attention an example as such is to illustrate with example the differences and paradoxes between the true of indeterminism versus determinism which is the main focus of the current paper discussion

   The dilemma focused and discussed in this paper, while an issue i am discussing since my first book, was also major in how i deliberated the form and ways to research and explore both fieldwork and the mise in scene of it in my work of sociology and anthropology in visual displays the market from here, in a few worlds my perspective was to that research on the side of the indeterminist true, I conceive the final work resulted as a way to evoque the sense and meanings assigned to the markets as well as how from the urban markets the world is seize of senses by the mans and woman’s of common sense who are vendors and purchaser under it, more than priorizing my perspective as observer a concept which in fact, I deconstructed on the work with the idea of the markets as polyphony, the dismantle of the observer in favor of the observer observed and the polyphony of markets, I research and explored a way to encompass a focuses on their own senses among the markets while regarding my position as author, sociologist and anthropologist as one of elaborating a critique of representation and of evocation. One of the main issue discussed under that work in fact was the possibilities to innovate and renew from new avenues and perspective unexpected new questions and unveiling new answers to the dilemma of indeterminism and determinism, I hope, at the end, that the market from here, attempted and attained to demonstrate firs that there are new possibilities to exercise and increase the plenty and richness of indeterminists true perspectives 

The Market from Here: Mise in scene and experimental ethnography is a work i did it as result of my own fieldwork presented later as a mise in scene of that fieldwork at rice university during march-April of 97 at the back yard sewall hall sculpture court a work fully based and focused in the urban popular markets of Venezuela during the neoliberal capitalist period on the country. 

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